I consume a lot of music regularly, and a huge part of keeping a fresh diet of new listens going is having enough sources of recommendations that arenā€™t an algorithm that either 1) reinforces your existing listening patterns, keeping you stagnant in your tastes, or 2) platforms whoever paid enough to push their product to the top, serving you something that may not inherently be of inferior quality, but may not align with your tastes, may not be exciting beyond just being a new release, and realigns your current listening habits to be more in line with what the average user on the platform is also listening to ā€” which socially might have benefits but which creates a homogeneity of consumption that can become bland since youā€™re listening to something really just because itā€™s the next product on the assembly line to have its public moment and not because anything about the music actually captured your attention. the current landscape of streaming is designed to keep you at an all you can eat buffet where you take whatā€™s served to you, and as a result a lot of us have forgotten how to look at a menu and order. so what does taking a more active role in your own music curation look like? for me, itā€™s meant not using streaming as a primary listening platform. I mostly use my local Apple Music library on my phone that I curate with the vestigial iTunes Library framework thatā€™s still a part of Apple Music on my laptop. probably going to find an alternative soon since apple seems to be cutting integration progressively. I like this method because it forces me to choose what to sync to the limited storage space I have, forcing me to take inventory of what I actually listen to and what I can offload. the files I get are mostly from Bandcamp or Soulseek depending on whether itā€™s available for purchase or entirely unavailable online (as is the case for a lot of electronic music that was on vinyl only, which is where soulseek comes in clutch). I also have freedom here to change the ID3 tags to better sort and organize, rate, change track info, and track my own listening data. Bandcamp and other music purchasing platforms are great because 1) it reshapes my relationship to music away from consumerism and back towards curation. I have to pay actual money for this thing now if I want to use it, so iā€™m forced to consider its value (usually iā€™ll stream a release first to gauge my interest). 2) having to spend money helps me to course out my meals so to speak, as iā€™ll buy a few releases iā€™ve accumulated in my cart over the month and cash out on Bandcamp Friday when 100% of my money is actually getting to the artist (TOMORROW IS BANDCAMP FRIDAY BTW!!!), and between purchases I can actually chew and savor and digest my last orders, they donā€™t get swept up in the deluge of new releases. my plate is full until iā€™m done and then I order more. also for the times of the year like now when new music isnā€™t coming out as regularly I take time to find older music that I would normally overlook while keeping up with new drops. currently very into early 80s/late 70s music with early digital production, kinda stuff that would evolve into synthpop and dance music. so how do you know what to order? for me, Iā€™m getting recs through trusted curation platforms. whether itā€™s bandcamp daily, yā€™all lovely folks here on PI.FYI, friends, or most importantly musicians who I follow on socials that share their tastes through posts, stories, playlists on steaming, interviews, etc. I like this last one especially because itā€™s kind of like a musical game of telephone. if I like an artist and they share their interests and influences itā€™s like every layer in this process is stretching my palate further from the sound that I was originally interested in and into a new territory that has some shared DNA but would never have been recommended to me by an algo because thereā€™s no shared category or label between them, only the musical influence and interpretation of it made by the artist. as an example, I was a huge Skrillex stan, he signed KOAN Sound to his label, they collab with Asa who collabs with Sorrow, Sorrow takes huge influence from Burial, Burial makes some ambient adjacent stuff and takes huge influence from 90s rave music and drum and bass and 2000s rnb, now iā€™m listening to Brandy - All in Me, William Basinski, Aphex Twin, none on whom would get recommended by Spotify to me from Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites. LAST thing iā€™ll say ā€” because in yappin about this iā€™m realizing how actually passionate about this subject I am: MAKE LISTS! playlists are cool, but they can flatten your music into vague categories of ā€œvibesā€ and ā€œaestheticsā€ and encourage picking one-off songs from artists that you never form an active audience relationship with. I make a practice of making my own year end lists of top 25 albums (plus some honorable recs and top individual songs) and keeping them in a notes doc that I regularly update and rearrange over the course of the year. this forces me to consider the actual relationship iā€™m forming with what iā€™ve ordered for myself. did I like it in the moment but it didnā€™t have staying power? is it slowly growing on me? it also encourages taking albums as a whole. maybe I liked one or two tracks a lot but the rest wasn't resonating. thatā€™s ok! maybe I rank it lower but now iā€™ve actually taken time to consider it, itā€™s in my library, and maybe (quite a few cases for me) something I ranked like bottom 5 albums becomes a retroactive favorite from that year as my tastes evolve. also 25 albums to take with me from each year is really more than you'd think, i struggle sometimes to even find 25 that I formed a true connection with. I think the biggest thing the itunes era ruined that led into now is the single-ification of music, the ability to separate the hits from the deep cuts. albums are meant to be taken as a whole, and then once you've really sat with the whole you can find what actually stuck. even then I like to keep the whole around because soooo often iā€™ll write off a track that yeeeears later I come to love. trust the artist, they made it like they did for a reason. aaannyyyywayy TLDR: get recs organically, be more active in deciding your listening patterns, fr*cken pay artists yall, trust the artist embrace the album, really consider what you consume
Feb 29, 2024

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I love the insight! Iā€™ve been using Spotify forever but I donā€™t feel it helps me find new music at all, so Iā€™ve been wondering how to get away from it. Iā€™ve always been someone who listens to full albums until Iā€™m tired of them. Unless itā€™s an intentional mix tape/cd/playlist. Off topic but Iā€™m dying to know what your astrological sun/rising is (if you know it)
Jun 3, 2024
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mossyelfie sun Leo, moon Sag, rising Scorp
Jun 3, 2024
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royallmonarch wow how fun! thanks for sharing!! I always vibe with Leo suns. Iā€™m not very serious about astrology, I just like finding similarities in placements thru people I know or meet. Iā€™ve seen a couple of your posts that are obviously very thoughtful and deep so it got me curious. Suspect the sag and Scorpio mixture influences that!
Jun 3, 2024
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Brilliant post. Iā€™ll do now. Would be great to get your 25 best albums list.
May 7, 2024
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Fishsauce idk if I could do an all time but I do a list each year so hereā€™s some AOTYs 2023: Frost Children - Hearth Room 2022: Sam Gellaitry - VF II 2021: Quickly Quickly - The Long and Short of It 2020: Khotin - Finds You Well 2019: Shlohmo - The End 2018: DJ Koze - Knock Knock 2017: Phuture Doom - II 2016: Machinedrum - Human Energy 2015: Clarence Clarity - No Now 2014: Mister Lies - Shadow 2013: Disclosure - Settle then a few all timers: Burial - Untrue Daft Punk - Discovery Sweet Trip - You Will Never Know Why Bing & Ruth - No Home of the Mind Bibio - Phantom Brickworks Sylvan Esso - What Now Nero - Welcome Reality Todd Rundgren - Healing
May 7, 2024
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royallmonarch Thank you so much
May 7, 2024
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Such an important message, ty for sharing this.
Apr 15, 2024
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Dang, really appreciated reading your thoughts in this one. Makes ya think. Thanks for sharing.
Mar 29, 2024
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Feels like a similar vibe with fashion and shopping. For all means follow and fuck with international brands but the story of each piece you get is really getting fucked by day of shipping and an industry wide focus on UXing the shit out of website and VR. Go to a store, smell the dusty smells, try shit on, lighting is good, lighting is bad. Have a conversation and make a fucking memory not just dress in product
Mar 2, 2024
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I actually base my listening habits by exploring artists that are playing near my city or when I travel, like festival lineups etc. and from there I go further on what sticks with me. We don't get too many artists but enough to keep me entertain through the year.
Mar 1, 2024
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https://everynoise.com/engenremap.html
Mar 1, 2024
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Every Noise at Once is an ongoing attempt at an algorithmically-generated, readability-adjusted scatter-plot of the musical genre-space, based on data tracked and analyzed for 6,291 genre-shaped distinctions by Spotify as of 2023-11-19
Mar 1, 2024
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this rules so hard, thank you! what alternatives are you looking in regards to a music player instead of Apple Music? im trying to slowly rip out the Spotify IV but i have a rather large digital collection and idk what to spec into for that lmao
Mar 1, 2024
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mybestfriendsusb the one on my mind was Clementine, gonna do more research and see which meets my needs most
Mar 1, 2024
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royallmonarch idk if this fits you needs but check out VOX itā€™s got a desktop and ios app. personally, i use Longplay on my phone.
Mar 1, 2024
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royallmonarch hell yeah! thank you so much
Mar 1, 2024
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This is why I'm all in on RSS for curating my internet experience. In regards to music, yes to bandcamp. My favorite thing to do lately is to go to Grimeys, browse the cassette section, and buy one based on instinct. Now reviews or previews. A surprise every time.
Feb 29, 2024
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lucius every time i try to go to grimey's they're closed, gotta hit it up after work one of these days esp now that i have a cassette deck
Feb 29, 2024
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this hit for me, dog. big agree on society's depreciation for the album. i started a new job and the guys there would literally put on lofi beats to study/relax to and I came in and showed them moon child, hiatus kaiyote and king giz lol sad to hear the "singleification" of music has effected so many people, but glad to know I am not alone and there's choices to be made to break free.
Feb 29, 2024
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devoxox the lofi beats effect is so real. it's like ambient music in its inert form, or like Satie's concept of furniture music, but rather than creating an environment to engage with it's literally just filling space so a room feels less empty.
Feb 29, 2024
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We are massively on the same šŸ“ƒ
Feb 29, 2024
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solomonki šŸ˜Ž šŸ¤ šŸ‘ØšŸ» this is us fr
Feb 29, 2024
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huge huge huge especially as an aspiring deejay / lifelong fan of house & techno & any/all dance everything is correct here, having to pay for trax instead of listless downloading makes u reevaluate entirely how much u want things!! let me throw for any fellow fans of the untzing TRAXSOURCE an eternally useful resource for procuring (mainly house) dance tracks !!!
Feb 29, 2024
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i got so invested in this reply that i burned my grilled cheese šŸ™šŸ» fr tho thanks for such a thoughtful write up, truly helpful!!
Feb 29, 2024
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milkbags the consequence of my post has had ramifications i shudder to consider, i am become yap burner of sandos
Feb 29, 2024

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These aren't curated playlists, they're just a collection of any new songs I discover and really like, or old songs I re-fall in love with. I then give each playlist a name that references how I feel or an event that happened that month. I was in a similar place to you a couple of years ago, but I've found doing this really helps me track my tastes and experiences every month, which I find is quite helpful in our streaming-dominated musicscape. When I used to actually download songs, it was easy to scroll through my library and be reminded of artists I'd forgotten about or had only listened to a couple of times. I've found that with streaming its really easy to lose track of who you listen to and enjoy, so it really flattens everything and causes you to either rely on the algorithm or your go-to past artists. As far as discovering new artists goes, there are still a few reliable sites and publications that review new albums (paste, gorilla vs. bear, pitchfork (sort of), etc.). I also like following or signing up for email newsletters (gasp!) from specific indie record labels that I enjoy. If you like several artists on the label, then chances are you'll like more, and they always notify you when something new is being released. Same goes for local venues. Check out the small stage acts coming through or various openers, even if you don't actually make it to the show. This is also a great way to get plugged into the local scene and it keeps you young, sort of.
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I don't listen to any AI generated playlists because I prefer to hear ones curated by people. I love sharing music as a human to human thing. It's also dismaying how music streaming services prioritize the songs of artists whose management pay them, etc. It's so fun to simply browse anonymous person's curated lists instead on top of sharing with friends. It's never been easier to peek into someone else's semi-private music preference and walk their landscape. Just today I found a person who's made dozens of playlists for specific beanie babies (!), all with no saves or likes. We don't need AI driven sorting to develop taste and find things we like. Break out of the corral with me and run free. Let's see what's over the hill
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iā€™m assuming based on the wording, youā€™re looking for music recommendations, and not an actual way to listen/stream the music; - inner circle recommenders: i have like 2-3 friends who somewhat consistently send me new music and tend to have a very high hit rate for my tastes. ymmv based on how good your friendsā€™ tastes are - pi.fyi: the lovely users of this website tend to have a lot of really good music recommendations; iā€™ll mention mouse, royallmonarch, and riotgrrrl by name, but there are a lot of cuties with good taste on here and if you browse the EVERYTHING feed youā€™ll see some good stuff - pitchfork: apparently esquire or some other cultureless cesspit is going to absorb p4k entirely, but until then, best new music still has some very solid reviews and picks coming through it. maybe hews a little closer to the type of shit you would see in an algorithmic recommendation, just by nature of being a little mainstream
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iā€™m not gonna go into the state of politics in this country, frankly I enjoy that this site has been a politics free space for the most part. with that being said, resigning to despair and the feeling of powerlessness serves only the status quo. inaction is not the solution, nor is waiting for the government to be what you want it to be. politics over: hereā€™s the rec be the change you want to see as much of a cliche as this saying is, iā€™ve grown to believe in it with my full being as iā€™ve gotten older. for the things you have control over, for the practical needs that you can meet within your community, for the little things you can do every day to ease someoneā€™s burden or generally be a pleasant interaction in someoneā€™s life: bring to the world what you feel it lacks. where you live there are likely already communities that are arising to support each other and call for change. seek those out if thatā€™s a motivating notion for you. participate as much as you are able and as little as you please, every bit counts. being a visible and tangible example of how the agency we all have can create something better will motivate others to find their voice. a lot of people feel like you, but even a few in action is better than multitudes in despair. community is so key, and the world we live in has created a situation where isolation is the default so that individuals are forced to rely on the market or the state to meet their needs. how much better would it be to have neighbors and friends as a support network, mutually exchanging their time and resources to strengthen the communtiy and invest in relationships that benefit the whole. the moment we all realize that we can do for each other what the world tells us we need to do ourselves, the stronger we will be and the more we can come together and enact real change from the bottom up, rather than being divided in pleading for a top down approach. this may sound revolutionary because we have become so detached from community that we cannot envision the changes in our model of living that would have to be made, but itā€™s sooo not that deep, and it feels more like investing in the good in others than sacrificing personal comforts. it can look like: - shopping at a local business vs a corporate chain, get to know the staff, get to know your fellow patrons - spending time with friends, there doesn't need to be a reason or occasion. make meals together, drive together to go do something, maybe literally just be in each others presence as you do daily life, share each others sacred presence amidst the mundane - give things you donā€™t need to a friend who does, exchange clothes, exchange favors, share knowledge and resources, lend a skill or a craft, donate things if you donā€™t know someone who can use it, exchange things and experiences without the need for monetary incentive - create things together, make art together, share and exchange media, try things for the joy of experiencing them without the need to be ā€œgoodā€ at it, - grieve together, worry together, talk out negative feelings, commiserate, support, encourage, motivate, share your accomplishments, celebrate together - get to know your neighbors, why is everyone in isolation while in such proximity? 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