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Mar 3, 2024
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Well, being gay isn’t exactly a virtue on the Hamas agenda. I suggest you read their founding charta. And than you go into a deep meditation and think about the extremly difficult question of who started the war. If you find an answer you imagine a future with no Israel but a Palastine state between the river (its thr river Jordan, as you probably dont know) and the sea governed by Hamas. And finally you apply for citizenship and emigrate to the new Islamo-fascist state. I can write you a letter of recommendation!
Fishsauce i find it entertaining every time i hear the “but hamas is homophobic!” argument because it makes absolutely no contribution. just because a government is not progressive in gay rights does not mean that tens of thousands of its people should be killed. we can separate the two facts that palestine has homophobic legislation and that war crimes should stop being committed. what you’re doing is called pinkwashing, which is when someone appeals to gay rights as a means of distraction from the problem at hand and as a way to avoid acknowledging wrongdoing. it is exploitative of queer people and our struggles. so no, i personally wouldn’t want to live in palestine. but i also would like for its people to stop being killed. and those two things can be true at the same time. and yes, i know that it’s the river jordan.
protest hamas. they started the war and consistently refuse ceasefire deals because they're not willing to give up hostages *or* agree to peace. they don't want peace. they are happy with the war as is. they think you're in their corner. are you?
danhakimi i don’t like hamas! but they haven’t murdered 30,000 israeli civilians and forcefully displaced millions while strategically starving them for months. if they do, then i’ll carry the same energy for them that i do for the israeli government and military.
danhakimi not to mention the fact that israel has also declined ceasefire agreements, citing that they won’t stop until a “total victory” which is becoming abundantly clear to mean taking over the entirety of gaza and cleansing it if its people.
danhakimi one final point; hamas did not start the war. israel, along with some other middle eastern countries, invaded the palestinian territory in 1948 and conflicts like the one we’re seeing today have continued since. please understand the history before you form an opinion against oppressed people.
sydisstupid Israel's stated standard of "total victory" is returning the hostages and removing the threat Hamas poses to its civilians. It's agreed to ceasefire proposals that ensure quite a bit less than that. I am not supporting every policy in the war, I really do think they need to find ways to let more aid in safely and distribute its safely, and that they should have a much better plan for peace afterwards. I also think that will come when they finally kick Netanyahu and is far-right allies out of the government, which will definitely happen, because Israel is a democracy and he's had rock-bottom approval ratings for ages.
danhakimi By the way, that 30,000 number is not civilians, it's total dead. the Gaza Ministry of Health—run by Hamas—does not distinguish between civilians and combatants. They have been caught lying in the past, but they wouldn't bother lying about that.
The civilian count is still higher than it should be, but by comparison to any other war, and especially by comparison to urban warfare with human shields, the civilian casualty rate is astoundingly low.
War is awful, and the sooner this war ends, the better. But I feel like most people saying "ceasefire" are ignoring actual ceasefire proposals and just expecting Israel to surrender. That's not going to happen.
sydisstupid Israel didn't invade anything in 1948. The Jews liberated their indigenous homeland from British colonizers, taking the land the UN said it should have, and six Arab nations invaded Israel on day one. Israel did not occupy anything after that war; Egypt occupied Gaza and Jordan occupied the West Bank. Conflicts in the region really started to ramp up in 1920 with the first pogrom by the Palestinians, attempting to rout out the Jews who had the audacity to live in land they bought.
please understand the history before you form an opinion against oppressed people.
danhakimi Oh, and there was a ceasefire in place on October 6th, so yes, the current war started on October 7th, and was started by Hamas, without ambiguity.
danhakimi we might have to agree to disagree but thank you for sharing your thoughts and hearing mine
